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to keep things balanced. I suppose I should point out that there are over 31,000 scientists many of who’m are climatologists, Paleoecologists, and meterologists who stand against this hypothesis…

[snip] snip that’s how Mandia responds to people whom he doesn’t like much. He snips out the part that shows where he’s wrong and then tries to make you look bad by only responding to the part he feels worthy or strong enough to attack. Typical politics of the alarmist regime.

Mandia: It would more constructive if you would offer fact-based arguments instead of emotional outbursts about the grand conspiracy. BTW, if you really believe that the Oregon Petition (Petition Project as it is called now) is legit, you are not doing your research.

1personofdifference June 13, 2010 at 4:44 pm

🙂 Well I will say this much Mandia, you are true to your form.
So You actually believed everything that you read on Tamino’s website and her website about this woman over Watts?

Come on Mandia I don’t agree with half of what you say but I would take your word over hers as she’s not even an accredited journalist. She encites issues with her supposed arguments. She admits to assaulting someone who treated her as Watts did and that she isn’t taking her meds.

um The Oregon Petition has not been proven to be illigitimate and it’s growing.

your comments in regards to mine about the ice pack is the total sum of skeptic response to supposed global warming.

I can show you numerous pictures where alarmists have taken pictures of decreasing arctic ice and yet just 30 days prior the oceanic ice was all the way up to the village. It recedes every summer.

I can show you picture after picture after picture where after the alarmists come through and show pictures of receding ice in the summer (of all things) there are pictures taken of natives where the ice came back at least as much the next summer. I have observed this myself on the Yukon River which is an inland body of water which has been frozen as late as July the last two summers.
Regional warming or cooling does not equate to global warming…
Well done indeed professor. When did you become a skeptic, I never knew.

Since you like to snip my comments and not include the whole comment just the part you like to pick at… if you want evidence you can come to my ball park. It’s ok you’ll be safe. I don’t have scissors in my sandbox, I don’t believe in them whether I agree with the commentor or not.

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  1. I suppose I should point out that there are over 31,000 scientists many of who’m are climatologists…

    How many?
    20,000.
    Or less?
    10,000 or less?
    1000 or less?

    Seriously, how many is “many”? A rough number will do.

    • This information is readily available. But for you today, a special offer, I went and copied the info and came back here and pasted it in about 30 seconds. voila.
      Now before anyone tries to pick apart the qualifications of these scientists, as some have supposedly done. match up what they do to what the scientists on the side of global warming have.
      There are climatologists and paleoecologists on the side of skeptic science that haven’t even signed the petition.
      What exactly is the official definition of many? Or is this an attempt at semantics. I personally would consider anything above 20 as many. I didn’t say thousands or even hundreds, I said many. There are many scientists who are not specifically climatologists but are general science educators and take what they learn in general science and apply it in climatology. There are many meteorologists who are obviously good candidates for climatology etc.
      Qualifications of Signers

      Signatories are approved for inclusion in the Petition Project list if they have obtained formal educational degrees at the level of Bachelor of Science or higher in appropriate scientific fields. The petition has been circulated only in the United States.

      The current list of petition signers includes 9,029 PhD; 7,157 MS; 2,586 MD and DVM; and 12,715 BS or equivalent academic degrees. Most of the MD and DVM signers also have underlying degrees in basic science.

      All of the listed signers have formal educations in fields of specialization that suitably qualify them to evaluate the research data related to the petition statement. Many of the signers currently work in climatological, meteorological, atmospheric, environmental, geophysical, astronomical, and biological fields directly involved in the climate change controversy.

      The Petition Project classifies petition signers on the basis of their formal academic training, as summarized below. Scientists often pursue specialized fields of endeavor that are different from their formal education, but their underlying training can be applied to any scientific field in which they become interested.

      Outlined below are the numbers of Petition Project signatories, subdivided by educational specialties. These have been combined, as indicated, into seven categories.

      1. Atmospheric, environmental, and Earth sciences includes 3,805 scientists trained in specialties directly related to the physical environment of the Earth and the past and current phenomena that affect that environment.

      2. Computer and mathematical sciences includes 935 scientists trained in computer and mathematical methods. Since the human-caused global warming hypothesis rests entirely upon mathematical computer projections and not upon experimental observations, these sciences are especially important in evaluating this hypothesis.

      3. Physics and aerospace sciences include 5,812 scientists trained in the fundamental physical and molecular properties of gases, liquids, and solids, which are essential to understanding the physical properties of the atmosphere and Earth.

      4. Chemistry includes 4,822 scientists trained in the molecular interactions and behaviors of the substances of which the atmosphere and Earth are composed.

      5. Biology and agriculture includes 2,965 scientists trained in the functional and environmental requirements of living things on the Earth.

      6. Medicine includes 3,046 scientists trained in the functional and environmental requirements of human beings on the Earth.

      7. Engineering and general science includes 10,102 scientists trained primarily in the many engineering specialties required to maintain modern civilization and the prosperity required for all human actions, including environmental programs.

      The following outline gives a more detailed analysis of the signers’ educations.

      Atmosphere, Earth, & Environment (3,805)

      1. Atmosphere (579)

      I) Atmospheric Science (112)
      II) Climatology (39)
      III) Meteorology (343)
      IV) Astronomy (59)
      V) Astrophysics (26)

      2. Earth (2,240)

      I) Earth Science (94)
      II) Geochemistry (63)
      III) Geology (1,684)
      IV) Geophysics (341)
      V) Geoscience (36)
      VI) Hydrology (22)

      3. Environment (986)

      I) Environmental Engineering (487)
      II) Environmental Science (253)
      III) Forestry (163)
      IV) Oceanography (83)

      Computers & Math (935)

      1. Computer Science (242)

      2. Math (693)

      I) Mathematics (581)
      II) Statistics (112)

      Physics & Aerospace (5,812)

      1. Physics (5,225)

      I) Physics (2,365)
      II) Nuclear Engineering (223)
      III) Mechanical Engineering (2,637)

      2. Aerospace Engineering (587)

      Chemistry (4,822)

      1. Chemistry (3,129)

      2. Chemical Engineering (1,693)

      Biochemistry, Biology, & Agriculture (2,965)

      1. Biochemistry (744)

      I) Biochemistry (676)
      II) Biophysics (68)

      2. Biology (1,438)

      I) Biology (1,049)
      II) Ecology (76)
      III) Entomology (59)
      IV) Zoology (149)
      V) Animal Science (105)

      3. Agriculture (783)

      I) Agricultural Science (296)
      II) Agricultural Engineering (114)
      III) Plant Science (292)
      IV) Food Science (81)

      Medicine (3,046)

      1. Medical Science (719)

      2. Medicine (2,327)

      General Engineering & General Science (10,102)

      1. General Engineering (9,833)

      I) Engineering (7,280)
      II) Electrical Engineering (2,169)
      III) Metallurgy (384)

      2. General Science (269)

  2. There are climatologists and paleoecologists on the side of skeptic science that haven’t even signed the petition.

    Ok. No problem.
    How many climatologists on the “skeptic’s side” did not sign the petition?
    A rough number will do.
    Sources please.

    But for you today, a special offer, I went and copied the info and came back here and pasted it in about 30 seconds. voila.

    Thanks. You forgot to cite your sources. Where did you get your info from exactly?
    Linky?

    What exactly is the official definition of many? Or is this an attempt at semantics. I personally would consider anything above 20 as many.

    Only 20?
    Out of 31,000 people!
    That’s “many”?
    Does that sound honest to you? Really?

    Remember, here’s what you said…
    I suppose I should point out that there are over 31,000 scientists many of who’m are climatologists…

    That is “many” from 31,000.

    (…scratches head…)

    I don’t think the word “many” means what you think it means.

    …includes 3,805 scientists trained in specialties directly related to the physical environment…

    That’s nice. How many of them are actually climatologists?

    … 935 scientists trained in computer and mathematical methods…

    That’s nice. How many of them are climatologists?

    …include 5,812 scientists trained in the fundamental physical and molecular properties…

    That’s nice. How many of them are climatologists?

    Chemistry, biology, engineering etc, etc, etc…
    Fine. Wonderful.
    How many of them are actual climatologists?

    Signatories are approved for inclusion in the Petition Project list if they have obtained formal educational degrees at the level of Bachelor of Science or higher in appropriate scientific fields.

    Ah.
    There’s a big problem right there.
    According to their own information, all you need to sign the petition is to have a basic science degree.
    Hmm.
    But that’s not what you said before.
    You said..
    I suppose I should point out that there are over 31,000 scientists many of who’m are climatologists…

    Having a science degree does not make you a scientist any more than having a history degree makes you a historian.
    There’s a big, fat disconnect right there.

    Having a petition signed by “31,000 scientists” sounds far more impressive (relatively speaking) that having a petition signed by “31,000 graduates with science degrees”.
    Two very different things.

    How much background checking did you do on this Petition?
    Doesn’t it sound a little odd to you?
    Who created it?
    Who funded it?
    What was the purpose of the Petition in the first place?
    What was the general reaction of the scientific community when it was released?
    Did they have any legitimate objections to a “petition”?

  3. sonsothunder says:

    I don’t understand all I know about this subject. But, I know that a climate change is taking place. I also recall some falsified documentations recently uncovered in the Gore camp. But, that’s probably just a rumor like his affair.

    I really don’t know enough about this issue to open my mouth without sticking another foot in it, and frankly, both of mine are already in there. Keep the blogs rolling. I love it when a plan comes together for somebody anyway.

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